Discussion:
Nice book of Gambas
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Kari Laine
2008-08-31 15:47:30 UTC
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Hi,

Sometime ago I found a nice book about Gambas. Sorry if everybody
already know this.
Search GooGle for "gambas beginner guide".

Here is one of the links
http://www.linuxinet.com/free-linux-ebooks/free-linux-programming-ebooks-beginner-039-s-guide-gambas.html

Best Regards
Kari Laine
Jason Hackney
2008-08-31 19:15:14 UTC
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First of all, I bought this book. Mr. Rittinghouse obviously worked
very hard on it and I felt he deserves a little something for his
effort.

Does anyone know if Mr. Rittinghouse plans on releasing an updated
version of this book? There are inconsistencies, errors, and just
plain outdated information throughout the current version.

Just two examples:

1) There are some details omitted (or just not well clarified for a
beginner) in the chapter regarding drawing.
2) The CASE/SELECT information could be more complete.

<HINT> I'd really, REALLY like to see some sort of reference (I know,
that would be a book in itself!!) </HINT>

Otherwise, it's a decent book (I've been using it primarily as a
reference). I'd love to help make it better. I have a knack for
finding mundane nuggets of goodness that can be cleaned up.

Jason

p.s. John, if you're out there, I'm serious about the offer to help.
Post by Kari Laine
Hi,
Sometime ago I found a nice book about Gambas. Sorry if everybody
already know this.
Search GooGle for "gambas beginner guide".
Here is one of the links
http://www.linuxinet.com/free-linux-ebooks/free-linux-programming-ebooks-beginner-039-s-guide-gambas.html
Best Regards
Kari Laine
a***@allbasic.info
2008-08-31 21:16:07 UTC
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Post by Jason Hackney
First of all, I bought this book. Mr. Rittinghouse obviously worked
very hard on it and I felt he deserves a little something for his
effort.
Does anyone know if Mr. Rittinghouse plans on releasing an updated
version of this book? There are inconsistencies, errors, and just
plain outdated information throughout the current version.
1) There are some details omitted (or just not well clarified for a
beginner) in the chapter regarding drawing.
2) The CASE/SELECT information could be more complete.
<HINT> I'd really, REALLY like to see some sort of reference (I know,
that would be a book in itself!!) </HINT>
Otherwise, it's a decent book (I've been using it primarily as a
reference). I'd love to help make it better. I have a knack for
finding mundane nuggets of goodness that can be cleaned up.
Jason
Sounds like a prime candidate for a Wiki project. ;-)
Post by Jason Hackney
p.s. John, if you're out there, I'm serious about the offer to help.
Thanks !

I didn't want to be a pest here. I think the www.AllBasic.Info site is
maturing quickly. (almost a month old) I wish you guys would show some
of your stuff over there and knock some socks off with Gambas. You
already have the HotBasic Linux guru hooked. ;-)

John
Fabien Bodard
2008-08-31 22:11:02 UTC
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i'mm not sure that J. Rittinghouse write something else as he is really sick.

Fabien Bodard
Post by a***@allbasic.info
Post by Jason Hackney
First of all, I bought this book. Mr. Rittinghouse obviously worked
very hard on it and I felt he deserves a little something for his
effort.
Does anyone know if Mr. Rittinghouse plans on releasing an updated
version of this book? There are inconsistencies, errors, and just
plain outdated information throughout the current version.
1) There are some details omitted (or just not well clarified for a
beginner) in the chapter regarding drawing.
2) The CASE/SELECT information could be more complete.
<HINT> I'd really, REALLY like to see some sort of reference (I know,
that would be a book in itself!!) </HINT>
Otherwise, it's a decent book (I've been using it primarily as a
reference). I'd love to help make it better. I have a knack for
finding mundane nuggets of goodness that can be cleaned up.
Jason
Sounds like a prime candidate for a Wiki project. ;-)
Post by Jason Hackney
p.s. John, if you're out there, I'm serious about the offer to help.
Thanks !
I didn't want to be a pest here. I think the www.AllBasic.Info site is
maturing quickly. (almost a month old) I wish you guys would show some
of your stuff over there and knock some socks off with Gambas. You
already have the HotBasic Linux guru hooked. ;-)
John
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2008-08-31 22:19:17 UTC
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Post by Fabien Bodard
i'mm not sure that J. Rittinghouse write something else as he is really sick.
Fabien Bodard
That is sad news.

Maybe the work he did could be used as a foundation to build on with a
wiki and a PayPal Donation button could be added. I would contribute.


John
Hamish Robertson
2008-09-01 06:59:41 UTC
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So would I. Turning that book into a wiki is a great Idea. Would John
be up for that though?
Post by a***@allbasic.info
Post by Fabien Bodard
i'mm not sure that J. Rittinghouse write something else as he is really sick.
Fabien Bodard
That is sad news.
Maybe the work he did could be used as a foundation to build on with a
wiki and a PayPal Donation button could be added. I would contribute.
John
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2008-09-01 07:24:49 UTC
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Post by Hamish Robertson
So would I. Turning that book into a wiki is a great Idea. Would John
be up for that though?
I would be happy to host this wiki. I'll set it up and the group here
can pick an administrator which can assign sysop's to help.

http://Gambas.AllBasic.Info

I would install Mediawiki as the platform.

Just over the net and in your court. ;-)


John
Hamish Robertson
2008-09-01 07:48:11 UTC
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Er, I think this one should be up to John. :)

I've emailed him. See what he says.

H.
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Post by Hamish Robertson
So would I. Turning that book into a wiki is a great Idea. Would John
be up for that though?
I would be happy to host this wiki. I'll set it up and the group here
can pick an administrator which can assign sysop's to help.
http://Gambas.AllBasic.Info
I would install Mediawiki as the platform.
Just over the net and in your court. ;-)
John
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2008-09-01 08:52:16 UTC
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Post by Hamish Robertson
Er, I think this one should be up to John. :)
I've emailed him. See what he says.
I didn't get your e-mail so try support_AT_scriptbasic_DOT_org .

If you already have permission to make this a GNU FDL document, I have
no problem with facilitating it as a sub-domain of All Basic. Moving
the content to the wiki will have to the Gambas groups project.


John
a***@allbasic.info
2008-09-01 09:06:06 UTC
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Post by Hamish Robertson
Er, I think this one should be up to John. :)
I fine with it after reading the license and restrictions.

Sure would be nice if someone could move this into Open Office which
exports to Mediawiki.

I'll post something here when the wiki is ready for use.


John
Kari Laine
2008-09-01 10:33:58 UTC
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So did John give permission for the book to go wiki?
How a pdf can be converted to text? Is it possible with commercial acrobat ?

Best Regards
Kari Laine
Post by a***@allbasic.info
Post by Hamish Robertson
Er, I think this one should be up to John. :)
I fine with it after reading the license and restrictions.
Sure would be nice if someone could move this into Open Office which
exports to Mediawiki.
I'll post something here when the wiki is ready for use.
John
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2008-09-01 10:48:24 UTC
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Post by Kari Laine
So did John give permission for the book to go wiki?
How a pdf can be converted to text? Is it possible with commercial acrobat ?
Best Regards
Kari Laine
Hi Kari,

I have the http://gambas.allbasic.info domain active with a temporary
home page. I will install Mediawiki tomorrow. (late here) You will
need to register an account on the wiki with a valid e-mail address to
post. (helps with spam bots)

Open Office will export to Mediawiki format. I'll take a shot at
converting the PDF to a HTML document after the wiki is installed. If
someone else can take care of content preparation that would be great.

John
g***@organet.com
2008-09-01 10:49:13 UTC
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Post by Kari Laine
So did John give permission for the book to go wiki?
How a pdf can be converted to text? Is it possible with commercial acrobat ?
Best Regards
Kari Laine
If John would give permission to use his book as basis for a wiki, he also
could donate his original script...both depends on the contracts between John
and the publishing company.

Greetz
Stevie
a***@allbasic.info
2008-09-01 10:55:53 UTC
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Post by g***@organet.com
Post by Kari Laine
So did John give permission for the book to go wiki?
How a pdf can be converted to text? Is it possible with commercial acrobat ?
Best Regards
Kari Laine
If John would give permission to use his book as basis for a wiki, he also
could donate his original script...both depends on the contracts between John
and the publishing company.
Greetz
Stevie
Based on what I understand from the license section of the PDF, the
book was made an open document with the ability to expand on it. If I
read it wrong, please correct my error.

John
Kari Laine
2008-09-01 11:05:21 UTC
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Post by a***@allbasic.info
Based on what I understand from the license section of the PDF, the
book was made an open document with the ability to expand on it. If I
read it wrong, please correct my error.
I think the original text is still needed. I tried to convert it with
pdftohtml and got this error

susePK1:/home/kari/kirjat # pdftohtml gambas_beginner_guide.pdf gambas.html
Error: Copying of text from this document is not allowed.

So the pdf is protected. I don't know whether it possible to hack pdftohtml
to ignore that...

If it is really open document and publishing company or John don't object it
we could divide the work to 50 pages each and start typing :-) But it would
be nice to get the source.

Best Regards
Kari
a***@allbasic.info
2008-09-01 11:11:08 UTC
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Post by Kari Laine
Post by a***@allbasic.info
Based on what I understand from the license section of the PDF, the
book was made an open document with the ability to expand on it. If I
read it wrong, please correct my error.
I think the original text is still needed. I tried to convert it with
pdftohtml and got this error
susePK1:/home/kari/kirjat # pdftohtml gambas_beginner_guide.pdf gambas.html
Error: Copying of text from this document is not allowed.
So the pdf is protected. I don't know whether it possible to hack pdftohtml
to ignore that...
If it is really open document and publishing company or John don't object it
we could divide the work to 50 pages each and start typing :-) But it would
be nice to get the source.
Kari,

I tried as well.

Can you take the lead on getting the password or the original source document?

John
Kari Laine
2008-09-01 11:48:02 UTC
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Post by a***@allbasic.info
Kari,
I tried as well.
Can you take the lead on getting the password or the original source document?
John
Hi John,


I think there is no password on the file because I commented a test in
pdftohtml to ignore some kind of protection and out it came. BUT there is no
layout, no pictures only the text. So it is big job to turn it to a nice
document. Anyway the screen capture pictures would probably be old anyway.

I read the OpenContent license of the book and if I understood right it
would make difficult to produce derivative work or wiki - quite impossible
in fact.

Maybe someone with leverage - Benoit - could contact John W Rittinghouse and
ask.

Fact is Gambas needs more documentation to lure users. Also I would be
prepared to pay for a technical document how Gambas works. I have used now
countles hours and I have just scratched the surface. Either I am darn
stupid or Benoit is about to win obfuscated code contest :-) before this day
I know very little about compilers and interpreters and I am not very good
with C - so it is going to take few months...

And Windows version would be nice too :-)


Best Regards
Kari Laine
Benoit Minisini
2008-09-01 12:20:12 UTC
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Post by Kari Laine
Post by a***@allbasic.info
Kari,
I tried as well.
Can you take the lead on getting the password or the original source document?
John
Hi John,
I think there is no password on the file because I commented a test in
pdftohtml to ignore some kind of protection and out it came. BUT there is
no layout, no pictures only the text. So it is big job to turn it to a nice
document. Anyway the screen capture pictures would probably be old anyway.
I read the OpenContent license of the book and if I understood right it
would make difficult to produce derivative work or wiki - quite impossible
in fact.
Maybe someone with leverage - Benoit - could contact John W Rittinghouse
and ask.
I have no news from him since he sent me its book. I think I have lost its
email in my annual email bleedings.
Post by Kari Laine
Fact is Gambas needs more documentation to lure users.
I agree. If only I have more time!
Post by Kari Laine
Also I would be
prepared to pay for a technical document how Gambas works. I have used now
countles hours and I have just scratched the surface. Either I am darn
stupid or Benoit is about to win obfuscated code contest :-) before this
day I know very little about compilers and interpreters and I am not very
good with C - so it is going to take few months...
Maybe this is the main reason of your problems. I admit I don't document my
code a lot, but I don't obfuscate it at all.

If you choose good symbol names, and if you do logical things, your code is
usually almost explain itself.

I will try to comment the interpreter better now I know that somebody tries to
understand it. And I will answer your questions too. But you should first
really learn the C language and get some information about compilers and
interpreters.
Post by Kari Laine
And Windows version would be nice too :-)
I won't do it. But if there is a volunteer, I will help him.
Post by Kari Laine
Best Regards
Kari Laine
Regards,
--
Benoit Minisini
Kari Laine
2008-09-01 13:19:17 UTC
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On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Benoit Minisini <
Post by Benoit Minisini
Post by Kari Laine
Also I would be
prepared to pay for a technical document how Gambas works. I have used
now
Post by Kari Laine
countles hours and I have just scratched the surface. Either I am darn
stupid or Benoit is about to win obfuscated code contest :-) before this
day I know very little about compilers and interpreters and I am not very
good with C - so it is going to take few months...
Maybe this is the main reason of your problems. I admit I don't document my
code a lot, but I don't obfuscate it at all.
Hi Benoit,
I hope you understood from the context that this obfuscate bit was meant as
joke...


Best Regards
Kari
Benoit Minisini
2008-09-01 13:25:27 UTC
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Post by Kari Laine
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Benoit Minisini <
Post by Benoit Minisini
Post by Kari Laine
Also I would be
prepared to pay for a technical document how Gambas works. I have used
now
Post by Kari Laine
countles hours and I have just scratched the surface. Either I am darn
stupid or Benoit is about to win obfuscated code contest :-) before
this day I know very little about compilers and interpreters and I am
not very good with C - so it is going to take few months...
Maybe this is the main reason of your problems. I admit I don't document
my code a lot, but I don't obfuscate it at all.
Hi Benoit,
I hope you understood from the context that this obfuscate bit was meant as
joke...
Yes, don't worry. :-)
--
Benoit Minisini
a***@allbasic.info
2008-09-01 19:14:43 UTC
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Post by Kari Laine
Post by a***@allbasic.info
Kari,
I tried as well.
Can you take the lead on getting the password or the original source document?
John
Hi John,
I think there is no password on the file because I commented a test in
pdftohtml to ignore some kind of protection and out it came. BUT there is no
layout, no pictures only the text. So it is big job to turn it to a nice
document. Anyway the screen capture pictures would probably be old anyway.
I read the OpenContent license of the book and if I understood right it
would make difficult to produce derivative work or wiki - quite impossible
in fact.
Maybe someone with leverage - Benoit - could contact John W Rittinghouse and
ask.
Fact is Gambas needs more documentation to lure users. Also I would be
prepared to pay for a technical document how Gambas works. I have used now
countles hours and I have just scratched the surface. Either I am darn
stupid or Benoit is about to win obfuscated code contest :-) before this day
I know very little about compilers and interpreters and I am not very good
with C - so it is going to take few months...
And Windows version would be nice too :-)
Best Regards
Kari Laine
Kari,

I won't install the wiki till you have permission from John R.and the
source to the original content. I will leave the
http://gambas.allbasic.info sub-domain active till no hope is left.

I'm still counting on you to get to the bottom of this.

John
Kari Laine
2008-09-01 19:18:23 UTC
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Post by a***@allbasic.info
I won't install the wiki till you have permission from John R.and the
source to the original content. I will leave the
http://gambas.allbasic.info sub-domain active till no hope is left.
I'm still counting on you to get to the bottom of this.
John
Hi,

I tried to search homepage or something like that for the author. Did not
find. I won't try actively any more. And anyway I am not the right person to
contact him - Benoit would be.

Best Regards
Kari
Szenográdi Norbert Péter
2008-09-01 19:27:16 UTC
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Hi all.

Im a new member on gambas-user-list.

I have some quession:
- How can I send a datas to other form..
- How can I see any -manual inserted- data in Tableview and/or
Gridview..


Sorry for my newbie quession.. :)
Im hope you can answer it :)

Sevoir from Hungary ;)
Doriano Blengino
2008-09-02 07:39:14 UTC
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Post by Szenográdi Norbert Péter
Hi all.
Im a new member on gambas-user-list.
- How can I send a datas to other form..
There are two ways.
1 - In the project properties, you can set "Controls of forms are
public". Once this is done, you can address/refer to controls on other
forms by their name, i.e. "Form2.label1.text = ....". This option is
global to the project: all the form have public controls or none.

2 - As each form is a class, it can have public variables and methods.
You can declare PUBLIC variables and access them from outside the form.
If you want the form react in some way, this is not enough; after
setting a variable you must call a public method declared in the form,
which can manipulate its controls. This can be done in a single step:
write a public method having some parameter, then call that method
passing the data you want. That method can use the data you passed and
do what is needed.

For example, suppose you have a main form which, at some point, opens
another form as a "status" form. This StatusForm has a Label1 on it,
showing some message. If controls are public (first solution), then you
simply write in the main:

StatusForm.Label1.Text = "Opening data file..."
WAIT ' this is required to update instantly the screen

Using the second way runs like this. In the StatusForm code (.class
file), declare a public method like this:

PUBLIC SUB UpdateMessage(st AS String)
Label1.Text = st
WAIT
END

At this point, in the main program, you can call:
StatusForm.UpdateMessage("Opening data file...")
Post by Szenográdi Norbert Péter
- How can I see any -manual inserted- data in Tableview and/or
Gridview..
Look at the manual page about GridView - it contains an example on how
to set grid "dimensions" (number of row and columns), and fill them by
code. About to see them... I don't understand the problem; provided that
the event loop is called, then you will see any data a Gridview is
filled with.

Email again if you have still problems.
Kari Laine
2008-09-02 09:01:47 UTC
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On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Doriano Blengino <
Post by Doriano Blengino
Look at the manual page about GridView - it contains an example on how
to set grid "dimensions" (number of row and columns), and fill them by
code. About to see them... I don't understand the problem; provided that
the event loop is called, then you will see any data a Gridview is
filled with.
Thanks for good info. Could you please tell me what you are referring with
"manual page about GridView"? I could not find it.

Best Regards
Kari
Doriano Blengino
2008-09-02 09:31:18 UTC
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Post by Kari Laine
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Doriano Blengino <
Post by Doriano Blengino
Look at the manual page about GridView - it contains an example on how
to set grid "dimensions" (number of row and columns), and fill them by
code. About to see them... I don't understand the problem; provided that
the event loop is called, then you will see any data a Gridview is
filled with.
Thanks for good info. Could you please tell me what you are referring with
"manual page about GridView"? I could not find it.
I downloaded the html documentation, so the relevant part is the last
one (xxx is my local path):

xxx/help/comp/gb+qt/gridview.html

If you point to the main page of the online help, the one which has an
"tree index" on the left, click on "gb.qt" in the left; the right side
of the page will show a directory of QT controls - there you will find
"GridView".

Or, you can look at online documentation (I get a different layout, but
it's ok...):

http://gambasdoc.org/help/comp

and there you find "gb.qt". GTK is almost the same, but several hidden
and obscure differences/bugs arise. It is very good you can choose
between QT and GTK without changing anything in your project and, for
simple GUI management, GTK works enough; if you need "solid" GUI, QT is
the way to go, at the moment.

I don't know why my local copy of the help has a nice index in the left,
while I cannot get it online. My local copy was borrowed directly from
the source distribution.

Anyway, I paste here the source code on how to fill a Gridview:


Examples

'Fill grid explicitely
GridView1.Columns.Count = 4
GridView1.Rows.Count = 3
GridView1.Columns.Width = 52
GridView1.Rows[1].Height = 52
GridView1[0,0].Text = "0,0"
GridView1[0,0].Alignment = 4
GridView1[1,1].Text = "1,1"
GridView1[0,1].Text = "0,1"
GridView1[1,0].Picture = Picture["image.png"]


Keeping on willing to help,
best regards.
Doriano Blengino
Stephen Bungay
2008-09-02 14:02:12 UTC
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Kari means go to the online help.

Select the little question mark '?' to the right of the 'tools' menu
at the top of the GAMBAS IDE. Then select 'Help Browswer' and when it
appears you will see on the left side of the window a list of items
entitled 'Gambas components'.

Now I usually use QT, so I would look down through that list until I
find the item labeled 'gb.qt' and click on the plus sign '+' to expand
it out. If you're using GTK then look for 'gb.gtk' and click on the '+'
that is next to it. Look down through the resulting expanded tree of
items and you will see an entry for 'GridView'. Click on THAT and you
will get the information of which Kari speaks.

Steve.
Post by Kari Laine
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Doriano Blengino <
Post by Doriano Blengino
Look at the manual page about GridView - it contains an example on how
to set grid "dimensions" (number of row and columns), and fill them by
code. About to see them... I don't understand the problem; provided that
the event loop is called, then you will see any data a Gridview is
filled with.
Thanks for good info. Could you please tell me what you are referring with
"manual page about GridView"? I could not find it.
Best Regards
Kari
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Kari Laine
2008-09-02 14:37:34 UTC
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Post by Stephen Bungay
Kari means go to the online help.
Select the little question mark '?' to the right of the 'tools' menu
at the top of the GAMBAS IDE. Then select 'Help Browswer' and when it
appears you will see on the left side of the window a list of items
entitled 'Gambas components'.
I really know this :-))) But that "man gridview" confused me because I
thought there are man pages for things....


Best Regards
Kari
Stephen Bungay
2008-09-03 02:50:17 UTC
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Yeah there are man pages for things... but the conventional man pages
don't apply to GAMBAS and the components. :)
Post by Kari Laine
Post by Stephen Bungay
Kari means go to the online help.
Select the little question mark '?' to the right of the 'tools' menu
at the top of the GAMBAS IDE. Then select 'Help Browswer' and when it
appears you will see on the left side of the window a list of items
entitled 'Gambas components'.
I really know this :-))) But that "man gridview" confused me because I
thought there are man pages for things....
Best Regards
Kari
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Stephen Bungay
2008-09-02 13:52:21 UTC
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Yet another way of doing this is to use public properties. For
example, a small form class that pops up a message might look like this;

PRIVATE mMessageText AS String

PUBLIC PROPERTY MessageText AS String

PRIVATE FUNCTION MessageText_Read() AS String
RETURN (mMessageText)
END

PRIVATE SUB MessageText_Write(Value AS String)
mMessageText = Value
TextArea1.Text = Value
Timer2.Enabled = TRUE
END

PUBLIC SUB Timer2_Timer()
ME.Close
END


You set the value of properties and the class does whatever it was
designed to do with them, in this case set a TextArea to the value that
was set in the public property "MessageText". The form has a timer on it
which is set to display the message for X number of seconds and then
close the form. You could add another property to this form to allow the
changing of the timer interval, giving the form even more flexibility.

PRIVATE mMessageText AS String

PRIVATE mTimeInterval AS Integer

PUBLIC PROPERTY TimerInterval AS Integer

PRIVATE FUNCTION TimerInterval_Read() AS Integer
RETURN (mTimerInterval)
END

PRIVATE TimerInterval_Write(Value AS Integer)
mTimerInterval = Value
' Assign the delay from the variable 'mTimerInterval'
' OR 'Value', in this case I use the former.
Timer2.Delay = mTimerInterval
END

PUBLIC PROPERTY MessageText AS String

PRIVATE FUNCTION MessageText_Read() AS String
RETURN (mMessageText)
END

PRIVATE SUB MessageText_Write(Value AS String)
mMessageText = Value
TextArea1.Text = Value

' If the user does not set a delay then set the default.
If TimerInterval = 0 then
Timer2.Delay = 3
end if

' Ensure the timer is enabled.
If not Timer2.Enabled then
Timer2.Enabled = TRUE
end if
END

PUBLIC SUB Timer2_Timer()
ME.Close
END


Steve.
Post by Doriano Blengino
Post by Szenográdi Norbert Péter
Hi all.
Im a new member on gambas-user-list.
- How can I send a datas to other form..
There are two ways.
1 - In the project properties, you can set "Controls of forms are
public". Once this is done, you can address/refer to controls on other
forms by their name, i.e. "Form2.label1.text = ....". This option is
global to the project: all the form have public controls or none.
2 - As each form is a class, it can have public variables and methods.
You can declare PUBLIC variables and access them from outside the form.
If you want the form react in some way, this is not enough; after
setting a variable you must call a public method declared in the form,
write a public method having some parameter, then call that method
passing the data you want. That method can use the data you passed and
do what is needed.
For example, suppose you have a main form which, at some point, opens
another form as a "status" form. This StatusForm has a Label1 on it,
showing some message. If controls are public (first solution), then you
StatusForm.Label1.Text = "Opening data file..."
WAIT ' this is required to update instantly the screen
Using the second way runs like this. In the StatusForm code (.class
PUBLIC SUB UpdateMessage(st AS String)
Label1.Text = st
WAIT
END
StatusForm.UpdateMessage("Opening data file...")
Post by Szenográdi Norbert Péter
- How can I see any -manual inserted- data in Tableview and/or
Gridview..
Look at the manual page about GridView - it contains an example on how
to set grid "dimensions" (number of row and columns), and fill them by
code. About to see them... I don't understand the problem; provided that
the event loop is called, then you will see any data a Gridview is
filled with.
Email again if you have still problems.
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g***@organet.com
2008-09-01 19:55:38 UTC
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Post by a***@allbasic.info
Kari,
I won't install the wiki till you have permission from John R.and the
source to the original content. I will leave the
http://gambas.allbasic.info sub-domain active till no hope is left.
I'm still counting on you to get to the bottom of this.
John
Sorry...but what are you trying to do here?? ...you have an "allbasic-site"
and want it to be a central site for "all" basic dialects. ...so go for
it!! ...search for the author of the book and drop him a mail, but stop
pushing other people into fire, which flames cook your meal!

Greetz
Stevie
a***@allbasic.info
2008-09-01 20:49:29 UTC
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Post by g***@organet.com
Post by a***@allbasic.info
Kari,
I won't install the wiki till you have permission from John R.and the
source to the original content. I will leave the
http://gambas.allbasic.info sub-domain active till no hope is left.
I'm still counting on you to get to the bottom of this.
John
Sorry...but what are you trying to do here?? ...you have an "allbasic-site"
and want it to be a central site for "all" basic dialects. ...so go for
it!! ...search for the author of the book and drop him a mail, but stop
pushing other people into fire, which flames cook your meal!
Greetz
Stevie
I was willing to accommodate the request to save the efforts put into
an open document that is getting stale by the day. If my contributions
and kindness aren't needed or appreciated then I will remove the
Gambas sub-domain and let the book die a slow death.

Sorry I even mentioned it.

John
Fabien Bodard
2008-09-01 21:14:16 UTC
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so for all of you understand why we do not have any news about John R,
i will give you the lost private mail content he send to me there is
two month :

--begin--

Fabien,
Thank you for remembering me and sending this. I know I have been out of
touch and apologize. Dealing with stage 3 pancreatic cancer so I hope you
understand.

jr

--end--

so now you can understand why he is not able to write something else
Arief Bayu Purwanto
2008-09-02 01:09:27 UTC
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Post by Fabien Bodard
--begin--
Fabien,
Thank you for remembering me and sending this. I know I have been out of
touch and apologize. Dealing with stage 3 pancreatic cancer so I hope you
understand.
jr
--end--
so now you can understand why he is not able to write something else
Uh... I'm sorry to hear that...
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g***@organet.com
2008-09-02 05:44:12 UTC
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Post by Arief Bayu Purwanto
Post by Fabien Bodard
--begin--
Fabien,
Thank you for remembering me and sending this. I know I have been out of
touch and apologize. Dealing with stage 3 pancreatic cancer so I hope
you understand.
jr
--end--
so now you can understand why he is not able to write something else
Uh... I'm sorry to hear that...
:-(((
Hope he makes it!

Greetz
Stevie
Ron Onstenk
2008-09-02 07:26:03 UTC
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Post by a***@allbasic.info
Post by g***@organet.com
Post by a***@allbasic.info
Kari,
I won't install the wiki till you have permission from John R.and the
source to the original content. I will leave the
http://gambas.allbasic.info sub-domain active till no hope is left.
I'm still counting on you to get to the bottom of this.
John
Sorry...but what are you trying to do here?? ...you have an "allbasic-site"
and want it to be a central site for "all" basic dialects. ...so go for
it!! ...search for the author of the book and drop him a mail, but stop
pushing other people into fire, which flames cook your meal!
Greetz
Stevie
I was willing to accommodate the request to save the efforts put into
an open document that is getting stale by the day. If my contributions
and kindness aren't needed or appreciated then I will remove the
Gambas sub-domain and let the book die a slow death.
Sorry I even mentioned it.
John
In my view Stevie is right, You are the one that republish the book in all ways.

If it is changed to a wiki site point 2 a) of the opendocument licence will be
in affect and difficult to fullfill.

So _you_ need the written permission to host it anyway and not the word I have
got it by mouth from J.R., Benoit or any other person.
You are only allowed to host the unmodified pdf for redistribution to members
of the gambas community as said in the first part of the book (1st page of text).

Don't forget it is published as a _real_ book and J.R. has also an agrement with
the publisher and it is posible he evem does not have the right to give permission.

The fact that it is available as pdf, and specail mentioned to the gambas community,
does not mean J.R.only has all the rights for permision,
The book as script is sold to the publisher as J.R. will have got money for it.
Most cases publishing, and copyrights, are hands over.

Did you read the watermark in the pdf, that is the reason you find the trouble
when you try to print it and the document is protected.
With KPDF you (or I) can't copy past text to the clipboard.
That will be a need restriction from the book puslisher for a permsion to release it as pdf.
Gambas users, the group who mostly will buy it, get this way a preview before the actual buy.
I wish I got such previews from books of Stephen King :)

Ron_1st
--
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
charlesg
2008-09-01 11:35:22 UTC
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Hi,

Perhaps this is all a bit premature without John's approval!

You would not have to type it: it cuts 'n pastes ok.
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Sent from the gambas-user mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Henri Girard
2008-09-02 05:36:28 UTC
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I don't know if you know it but openoffice 3 has an import of acrobat which is not bad though in beta version
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Ron Onstenk
2008-09-02 07:31:47 UTC
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Post by Henri Girard
I don't know if you know it but openoffice 3 has an import of acrobat which is not bad though in beta version
 
Yeah right and when the pdf is protected against print and copy/past and the developers of OO are
honest they import that too and handle following those restrictions.
So you can read it and that's it. :)

Ron_1st
--
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
g***@organet.com
2008-09-02 08:18:47 UTC
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To get back to the topic. :-)
I think it's a very very good idea to take the book as a basis for
documentation in a wiki. But what is needed is the permission of J.R. and/or
the publisher.
With respect to J.R.s situation, we could try to contact the publisher of the
book. When they say "no" it is no...but it's an answer. Perhaps they can tell
us, who's responsible for granting rights and permissions.

Here is my situation...and I know, I'm not allone with this.
I never coded in any OO-language. ...and I never designed a
GUI-program. ...but I like Gambas so much. ...and there is either old or no
documentation. For a rookie like me, at the moment coding in Gambas means:
Hacking one hour and gathering the needed information eight hours. Looking
into the PDF-book, searching the wiki, scanning the mailinglist archives,
analyzing other people code sniplets in the internet and so on. ...it's a
little bit frustrating.
It would be so pity, when Gambas doesn't get the acception, it is owing.

Sorry for my poor English ...it's not my native language.

Greetz
Stevie
Stefano Palmeri
2008-09-02 08:42:19 UTC
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Fabien, bad idea to spread the world with J.R. health conditions.
It's against privacy law on many countries, unless J.R. gave you
permission to do that. I think it's a good idea removing
that message from Gambas online archives.
Benoit, can you do it?

Best regards,

Stefano Palmeri
Kari Laine
2008-09-02 09:22:23 UTC
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Post by Stefano Palmeri
Fabien, bad idea to spread the world with J.R. health conditions.
It's against privacy law on many countries, unless J.R. gave you
permission to do that. I think it's a good idea removing
that message from Gambas online archives.
Benoit, can you do it?
Best regards,
Stefano Palmeri
If I would knew that this going to start this heated discussion I would not
have posted it in the first place...

Anyway here are the details for the publisher

Beginner's Guide to Gambas *by John W.
Rittinghouse<http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?ATH=John+W%2E+Rittinghouse>
*
Product Details

- ISBN: 0741429489
- ISBN-13: 9780741429483
- Format: Paperback, 364pp
- Publisher: Buy Books on the Web.Com
- Pub. Date: January 2006
- Sales Rank: 476,005

http://www.buybooksontheweb.com/

There is a contact on the page. Someone with good english should write
proposition to them.
Possibly discuss it here. But I am quite sure the answer from the publisher
is NO.

Best Regards
Kari Laine
Ron_1st
2008-09-02 15:16:10 UTC
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Post by Stefano Palmeri
Post by Stefano Palmeri
Fabien, bad idea to spread the world with J.R. health conditions.
It's against privacy law on many countries, unless J.R. gave you
permission to do that. I think it's a good idea removing
that message from Gambas online archives.
Benoit, can you do it?
Best regards,
Stefano Palmeri
If I would knew that this going to start this heated discussion I would not
have posted it in the first place...
No problem of a heated discussion for me.
I think it just only good to try to get the real permision.

The idea to make a wiki of it so users can contribute to it is
just fine. I had also in the first time many problems to find the
way how all the stuff was mixed together and I'm not the only one.
Post by Stefano Palmeri
Anyway here are the details for the publisher
Beginner's Guide to Gambas *by John W.
Rittinghouse<http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?ATH=John+W%2E+Rittinghouse>
*
Product Details
   - ISBN: 0741429489
   - ISBN-13: 9780741429483
   - Format: Paperback, 364pp
   - Publisher: Buy Books on the Web.Com
   - Pub. Date: January 2006
   - Sales Rank: 476,005
http://www.buybooksontheweb.com/
There is a contact on the page. Someone with good english should write
proposition to them.
Possibly discuss it here.
But I am quite sure the answer from the publisher is NO.
Think the same. But never try is always lost.
Post by Stefano Palmeri
Best Regards
Kari Laine
Best regards
Ron_1st
--
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
Kari Laine
2008-09-02 16:11:23 UTC
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Post by Ron_1st
Post by Kari Laine
Product Details
- ISBN: 0741429489
- ISBN-13: 9780741429483
- Format: Paperback, 364pp
- Publisher: Buy Books on the Web.Com
- Pub. Date: January 2006
- Sales Rank: 476,005
http://www.buybooksontheweb.com/
There is a contact on the page. Someone with good english should write
proposition to them.
Possibly discuss it here.
But I am quite sure the answer from the publisher is NO.
Think the same. But never try is always lost.
They will ask "What's there for me?"
Maybe addspace for them at allbasic.info ?

Best Regards
Kari
g***@organet.com
2008-09-02 16:28:38 UTC
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Post by Ron_1st
Post by Stefano Palmeri
If I would knew that this going to start this heated discussion I would
not have posted it in the first place...
No problem of a heated discussion for me.
Full Ack!
Post by Ron_1st
I think it just only good to try to get the real permision.
After reading the licence, any other strategy would be a crime!
Post by Ron_1st
Post by Stefano Palmeri
Anyway here are the details for the publisher
Beginner's Guide to Gambas *by John W.
Rittinghouse<http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?ATH=
John+W%2E+Rittinghouse> *
Product Details
   - ISBN: 0741429489
   - ISBN-13: 9780741429483
   - Format: Paperback, 364pp
   - Publisher: Buy Books on the Web.Com
   - Pub. Date: January 2006
   - Sales Rank: 476,005
http://www.buybooksontheweb.com/
There is a contact on the page. Someone with good english should write
proposition to them.
Possibly discuss it here.
But I am quite sure the answer from the publisher is NO.
I would do it....but English is not my native language. :-(

Perhaps (at a first step) we should create a list of arguments, why the
publisher should grant us permission to modify the books content.
...and to be honest: I don't think, that they say: NO ...because:
- Meanwhile the book is overaged ...something about 50%
- With every new release of Gambas it becomes older and older....and "our"
Benoit is a hard-working guy! ;-)
- J.R. never updated the book...it's (too???) much work to update it in an
one-man-show.
- The book is free for downloading. ...reading it, to become an overview
regarding Gambas is okay...but, because of its age, it's no reliable
reference. ...only a few people would pay for the print. ...so making money
with the book is a fading process.

...uuuuuuuuppppppsssss! ...I created a list of arguments! ;-)

Greetz
Stevie
Kari Laine
2008-09-02 19:59:21 UTC
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Post by g***@organet.com
Post by Ron_1st
Post by Stefano Palmeri
If I would knew that this going to start this heated discussion I would
not have posted it in the first place...
No problem of a heated discussion for me.
Full Ack!
Post by Ron_1st
I think it just only good to try to get the real permision.
After reading the licence, any other strategy would be a crime!
Post by Ron_1st
Post by Stefano Palmeri
http://www.buybooksontheweb.com/
There is a contact on the page. Someone with good english should write
proposition to them.
Possibly discuss it here.
But I am quite sure the answer from the publisher is NO.
I would do it....but English is not my native language. :-(
Perhaps (at a first step) we should create a list of arguments, why the
publisher should grant us permission to modify the books content.
- Meanwhile the book is overaged ...something about 50%
- With every new release of Gambas it becomes older and older....and "our"
Benoit is a hard-working guy! ;-)
- J.R. never updated the book...it's (too???) much work to update it in an
one-man-show.
- The book is free for downloading. ...reading it, to become an overview
regarding Gambas is okay...but, because of its age, it's no reliable
reference. ...only a few people would pay for the print. ...so making money
with the book is a fading process.
...uuuuuuuuppppppsssss! ...I created a list of arguments! ;-)
I think you made a good summary. Another thing might be that publisher might
get updated book to publish. I mean some people want the real thing. I have
bought - I think three at least - Rubini's device driver book, samba-book, a
Linux kernel book, and a linux programming book. It is nice to have the real
thing - harddisks tend to crash :-)

And as I wrote earlier add-space for the publisher is valuable thing these
days.

Now we need a volunteer to write a first draft.

Best Regards
Kari Laine
Kari Laine
2008-09-03 05:33:48 UTC
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Hi,

as nobody has volunteered I try to write this proposal for publisher.

----------------------
Dear Sir,

You are the publisher for a book from John W. Rittinghouse titled as
Beginner's Guide to Gambas.
It is very fine book but parts of it are pretty dated. Gambas project is
very active and it has users all over the world.

*Gambas* is a free development environment based on a *Basic* interpreter
with object extensions, a bit like *Visual Basic™* (but it is *NOT* a
clone !) More information at the http://gambas.sourceforge.net . Benoit
Minisini is the starter of the project and main developer. <this needs more
accuracy - has Benoit made almost all of it?>

Gambas is now at version 2.8.2 and version 3.x.x is under development. Book
was based on version 1.x.x.

As is typical for open source projects documentation is always little
behind. Developer's do what they like most - code! And producing nice
documentation is quite tuff and dull project. So it is not done. On the
Gambas mailing list an idea was raised that maybe if we get permission from
you we would turn this book as a baseline for wiki. Then Gambas users and
developers all over the world make it current and better. It is hard to
start wiki from zero so that is the reason for this request.

Only you know how good seller it is at the moment. But it's little old and
possible customers noticing that might not like the situation. Also it is
already available as free download in pdf-format.

What's your benefit
1. There would be your add on the wiki mentioning what book and publisher it
is based on.
2. After the wiki has lived for something around 12 months someone from the
Gambas community might turn contents of the wiki to a book you could
publish. Many people like to buy the real book also independent that same
information is in the net.

<here more good points for the publisher>

Yours Sincerely
<whoever>
------------------------


You may now open the fire :-)

Best Regards
Kari
Ron Onstenk
2008-09-03 09:17:47 UTC
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Post by Kari Laine
Hi,
as nobody has volunteered I try to write this proposal for publisher.
----------------------
Dear Sir,
You are the publisher for a book from John W. Rittinghouse titled as
Beginner's Guide to Gambas.
It is very fine book but parts of it are pretty dated. Gambas project is
very active and it has users all over the world.
*Gambas* is a free development environment based on a *Basic* interpreter
with object extensions, a bit like *Visual Basic™* (but it is *NOT* a
clone !) More information at the http://gambas.sourceforge.net . Benoit
Minisini is the starter of the project and main developer. <this needs more
accuracy - has Benoit made almost all of it?>
Gambas is now at version 2.8.2 and version 3.x.x is under development. Book
was based on version 1.x.x.
As is typical for open source projects documentation is always little
behind. Developer's do what they like most - code! And producing nice
documentation is quite tuff and dull project. So it is not done. On the
Gambas mailing list an idea was raised that maybe if we get permission from
you we would turn this book as a baseline for wiki. Then Gambas users and
developers all over the world make it current and better. It is hard to
start wiki from zero so that is the reason for this request.
Only you know how good seller it is at the moment. But it's little old and
possible customers noticing that might not like the situation. Also it is
already available as free download in pdf-format.
What's your benefit
1. There would be your add on the wiki mentioning what book and publisher it
is based on.
2. After the wiki has lived for something around 12 months someone from the
Gambas community might turn contents of the wiki to a book you could
publish. Many people like to buy the real book also independent that same
information is in the net.
<here more good points for the publisher>
Yours Sincerely
<whoever>
Looks not to bad but don't forget to add to write which book.
Post by Kari Laine
------------------------
Post by Kari Laine
Product Details
  - ISBN: 0741429489
  - ISBN-13: 9780741429483
  - Format: Paperback, 364pp
  - Publisher: Buy Books on the Web.Com
  - Pub. Date: January 2006
And the who should get the permision is at ***@allbasic.info.
You are writing on behalf of the admin nom.

The email address is a bit stupid, thats why I did suggested he
should do the request.
Kari Laine
2008-09-03 09:30:52 UTC
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Post by Ron Onstenk
Post by a***@allbasic.info
Hi,
Looks not to bad but don't forget to add to write which book.
Post by a***@allbasic.info
------------------------
Post by Kari Laine
Product Details
- ISBN: 0741429489
- ISBN-13: 9780741429483
- Format: Paperback, 364pp
- Publisher: Buy Books on the Web.Com
- Pub. Date: January 2006
You are writing on behalf of the admin nom.
The email address is a bit stupid, thats why I did suggested he
should do the request.
Was it him who originated the wiki-idea? I think it is a good idea but now
it is his turn to comment and maybe tell his real name...

Best Regards
Kari Laine
Ron_1st
2008-09-03 10:25:37 UTC
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Post by Kari Laine
Was it him who originated the wiki-idea? I think it is a good idea but now
it is his turn to comment and maybe tell his real name...
Best Regards
Kari Laine
Not sure it was his idea but he is as holder/hoster/republisher
of the wiki who needs the permission for the Dutch law.

When he is a ISP and a customer of that ISP is the owner of the wiki
then the customer need the permission and the orginating publisher can
ask the ISP to knock off the customers wiki site when no permision exsists.

If the ISP get the permission, the ISP is responsible of the wiki
content and I do not think any ISP wants that.

If you or I get the permision then the publisher can ask the ISP to
knock off the wiki/site and the ISP *MUST* do that action becasuse
the ISP's customer has no rights to do and you r I are not a customer
of the ISP.

It is just as simple as that and the reason AllBasic should get
the permision himself.
It is the risk of having a site with protected content even if
it is free (in all ways) to everyone, using logo's and/or
registered productnames and even can advertise the product.

This is something many home webmaster wanabees are forget when
they setup a (private) website to the general public.

I hope this also explains something I wrote before.

Best regards
Ron_1st
--
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
g***@organet.com
2008-09-03 10:39:24 UTC
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Post by Ron_1st
Not sure it was his idea but he is as holder/hoster/republisher
of the wiki who needs the permission for the Dutch law.
When he is a ISP and a customer of that ISP is the owner of the wiki
then the customer need the permission and the orginating publisher can
ask the ISP to knock off the customers wiki site when no permision exsists.
If the ISP get the permission, the ISP is responsible of the wiki
content and I do not think any ISP wants that.
If you or I get the permision then the publisher can ask the ISP to
knock off the wiki/site and the ISP *MUST* do that action becasuse
the ISP's customer has no rights to do and you r I are not a customer
of the ISP.
It is just as simple as that and the reason AllBasic should get
the permision himself.
It is the risk of having a site with protected content even if
it is free (in all ways) to everyone, using logo's and/or
registered productnames and even can advertise the product.
The community works on a Wiki, which rights and permissions lay by one
person/institution? Best way would be, when the publisher makes the book GPL.

Greetz
Stevie
Kari Laine
2008-09-03 11:18:21 UTC
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Post by g***@organet.com
The community works on a Wiki, which rights and permissions lay by one
person/institution? Best way would be, when the publisher makes the book GPL.
I am not very knowledgeable of the different licenses (pity I am not a
lawyer). Is GPL good license for the textbook/wiki? If no-one else raises
their hands I will work on the draft and make a first contact to the
publisher - let's say friday. Maybe their ignore that kind of mail or they
might get interested. Problem is I very new to Gambas community and
therefore am not good candidate for this. Also I am bad negotiator :-)

Who will host this wiki? Should it be part of the existing Gambas-wiki? Btw.
I noticed there is mention that Gambas wiki is written in Gambas. Is it's
source code available under GPL?

If I get the permission and nobody else volunteers to host it I think I can
think hosting it. Newer run wiki but it might be time to learn it. I am sure
it's big work to set it up originally with the baseline.

let me know whether I should proceed or drop the whole thing.



Best Regards
Kari Laine
Ron_1st
2008-09-03 13:05:44 UTC
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Post by Kari Laine
Post by g***@organet.com
The community works on a Wiki, which rights and permissions lay by one
person/institution? Best way would be, when the publisher makes the book GPL.
I am not very knowledgeable of the different licenses (pity I am not a
lawyer). Is GPL good license for the textbook/wiki?
No the GPL involves software, see other post just done be me at the end.
Post by Kari Laine
If no-one else raises
their hands I will work on the draft and make a first contact to the
publisher - let's say friday. Maybe their ignore that kind of mail or they
might get interested. Problem is I very new to Gambas community and
therefore am not good candidate for this. Also I am bad negotiator :-)
Who will host this wiki? Should it be part of the existing Gambas-wiki? Btw.
I noticed there is mention that Gambas wiki is written in Gambas. Is it's
source code available under GPL?
The presentation is a la wiki.
The gambas engine behind it is I assume total different from it.
I'm also interested to see how it works, it's a second master piece from
the gambas master :)
Post by Kari Laine
If I get the permission and nobody else volunteers to host it I think I can
think hosting it. Newer run wiki but it might be time to learn it. I am sure
it's big work to set it up originally with the baseline.
Basic its easy to install. The hard thing is get te content in.
It is not easy cut/paste into a file but you must use the wiki own page editor
as far I know to get correct content. :)
Post by Kari Laine
let me know whether I should proceed or drop the whole thing.
Best Regards
Kari Laine
Difficult to answer. Everyone will say yeeeesssssssss go for it.
If you like experimenting, have time and want to learn something as a wiki
I would say go for it but try first a private wikisite to get the feeling how
it works. And as usual on forums and mailists, everyone wants all kind of stuff
but contribute to it is to much work so you will be long time on your own.

See the start of allBasic, the idea is good, the frontpage give a nice view
what is avalable but as Rob Kudla already mentioned the contribution should
be more to make the site a hit to go look for information.
Yes it need time to grow up and time will tell.

As time passes by every new site should at least half the content of an
already existing site to have a value for the visitor or a very special and
unique subject to attrackt people for a visit and posible contribution.

For realy good sites you need 2 hands (10 fingers) the remaining you need
the hands of all china people.

Conclusion? It is better to spend time to help other potential good sites
in the growup period then starting a new site. Concentrating information
has more value then spread it out over different sites that lose the interest
of the visitors who did like the site so much.

allBasic site is willing to host the wiki as he told and initialized already.

Fabian Bodard did make gambasforge.net and got a lot contributions but he
has to less time to maintenance the site well.

Gareth Bult has made http://gambasrad.org/ and spend a lot of time but the
last entry in documentation is around Nov 2007, except 1 in Jan 2008.
This one was/is connected with the gambas wiki from Benoit and the maillist.
The forum is still alive but topic/post versus views is enorm.

There is need of practical examples with documentation other then the
syntax of the gambas Basic languageas proven by the many requests.
Willing to provide exists but a few do it in practice.


Best regards
Ron_1st

(again such boring long message) :)
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
Benoit Minisini
2008-09-03 15:19:57 UTC
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Post by Ron_1st
Post by Kari Laine
Who will host this wiki? Should it be part of the existing Gambas-wiki?
Btw. I noticed there is mention that Gambas wiki is written in Gambas. Is
it's source code available under GPL?
The presentation is a la wiki.
The gambas engine behind it is I assume total different from it.
I'm also interested to see how it works, it's a second master piece from
the gambas master :)
The Gambas wiki is run by a cgi script named "doc.cgi" whose source code is in
the Gambas source code archive.

But it is not a master piece, but a quick & dirty made wiki!

Regards,
--
Benoit Minisini
Ron_1st
2008-09-03 11:57:57 UTC
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Post by g***@organet.com
Post by Ron_1st
Not sure it was his idea but he is as holder/hoster/republisher
of the wiki who needs the permission for the Dutch law.
When he is a ISP and a customer of that ISP is the owner of the wiki
then the customer need the permission and the orginating publisher can
ask the ISP to knock off the customers wiki site when no permision exsists.
If the ISP get the permission, the ISP is responsible of the wiki
content and I do not think any ISP wants that.
If you or I get the permision then the publisher can ask the ISP to
knock off the wiki/site and the ISP *MUST* do that action becasuse
the ISP's customer has no rights to do and you r I are not a customer
of the ISP.
It is just as simple as that and the reason AllBasic should get
the permision himself.
It is the risk of having a site with protected content even if
it is free (in all ways) to everyone, using logo's and/or
registered productnames and even can advertise the product.
The community works on a Wiki, which rights and permissions lay by one
person/institution? Best way would be, when the publisher makes the book GPL.
Greetz
Stevie
I do not kow how Wikipedia exact works when someone put protected content
in a article but someone shall/must/will react on it.

The publisher wil not make it GPL if they can have financial profit
of it when they sell the book.

Asking the publisher to make it GPL will be need as it is posible they
do not know about GPL, it is in general not in there interest anyway
for the complete work/book.

Because the current book as-is is so outdated they maybe well willing
to do but take in account that if so many people want it free as wiki
they have also still posible customers for selling. It's a bit contra.

Any way it is in best interest for allBasic to prevent illlegal as much
as possible and getting permision before is always better as telling
'I did not know' afterwards just in this grey situation.

If he do not want ask the permission then he should not use the book
as basic start source with copy/paste but type his interpretation in
his own words and the gambas community can add/correct this content.


Best regards
Ron_1st

PS
GPL is not the right licence (software)
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_content for other more correct ones.
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
Rob
2008-09-03 12:43:15 UTC
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Post by Ron_1st
The publisher wil not make it GPL if they can have financial profit
of it when they sell the book.
Does the publisher even own the copyright in this case? Rittinghouse used a
vanity press, by the looks of the book a print-on-demand one, and they often
don't. I would check my copy but it's still packed following my most recent
move. If he'd used CafePress or Lulu I would feel safe saying they
absolutely don't own it, but as I recall he used a different one.

At any rate, the biggest obstacle to wikifying the book was the fact that we
don't have the original document. Even then it'd take a lot of work.
Benoit's original Gambas documentation was much shorter and it still took me
weeks to get it into the original Gambas wiki.... which eventually fell into
disrepair and disorganization, just as I think the one based on this book
eventually would. MediaWiki is a better wiki than TWiki was, but a book needs
a fundamental organization to it.

I think that if someone wants to proceed with this, you'll need to get in
touch with John -- or, if the worst has happened, with his estate.

Rob
Kari Laine
2008-09-03 13:06:21 UTC
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Post by Rob
Post by Ron_1st
The publisher wil not make it GPL if they can have financial profit
of it when they sell the book.
Does the publisher even own the copyright in this case? Rittinghouse used a
vanity press, by the looks of the book a print-on-demand one, and they often
don't. I would check my copy but it's still packed following my most recent
move. If he'd used CafePress or Lulu I would feel safe saying they
absolutely don't own it, but as I recall he used a different one.
At any rate, the biggest obstacle to wikifying the book was the fact that we
don't have the original document. Even then it'd take a lot of work.
Benoit's original Gambas documentation was much shorter and it still took me
weeks to get it into the original Gambas wiki.... which eventually fell into
disrepair and disorganization, just as I think the one based on this book
eventually would. MediaWiki is a better wiki than TWiki was, but a book needs
a fundamental organization to it.
I think that if someone wants to proceed with this, you'll need to get in
touch with John -- or, if the worst has happened, with his estate.
I will ask the publisher about the status and if they don't have the rights
and the original text I forget the whole thing. I am not going to pester
John at the situation it is. I don't know him but feel sorry for him.

Kari
Jason Hackney
2008-09-03 14:56:42 UTC
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I'm not certain how much the publisher cares. Feel free to let me know
if this has already been hashed over.

Excerpt from page 2 of the book:

"All rights reserved. Personal use of this material is permitted.
However, permission to reprint/republish this material for advertising
or promotional purposes or for creating new collective works for
resale or redistribution to servers or lists, or to reuse any
copyrighted component of this work in other works must be obtained
from the author, John W. Rittinghouse."

Without diving into technicalities, I think that just about covers it.
And trying to find a way around it will likely take more effort than
just creating a new/original work from the community.

I originally offered to assist with getting the dead-tree version of
the book up-to-date without knowing Mr. Rittinghouse's personal
concern that will likely prevent him from continuing work on the book.
It was from that thought that the wiki idea was brought up by John
(allbasic).

I'm personally not very interested in wiki since wiki doesn't travel
well on airplanes (I fly for a living) or to hotels with spotty
internet access. I have a strong preference for paper. My offer still
stands. I'd be willing to offer my time to help edit a [new] book for
Gambas. I do a fair job at spell checking and some general grammar
cleanup.

This is my feeling: I think what may be best is not to attempt to
use/revise/rehash this book out of respect for Mr. Rittinghouse, but
perhaps to create a new book altogether (paper, electronic, whatever).

I started creating some very basic documentation (based almost
exclusively on gambasdoc.org/help) for my personal use, but what I
really want--and probably what most everyone learning Gambas wants--is
a lot of good examples.

Respectfully,
Jason
Jason Hackney
2008-09-03 15:04:14 UTC
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Looks like Ron_1st already covered most of my thoughts :-)
Benoit Minisini
2008-09-02 10:20:24 UTC
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Post by Stefano Palmeri
Fabien, bad idea to spread the world with J.R. health conditions.
It's against privacy law on many countries, unless J.R. gave you
permission to do that. I think it's a good idea removing
that message from Gambas online archives.
Benoit, can you do it?
Best regards,
Stefano Palmeri
You are right. But I have to wait that the post appears in the archive: the
latest mail in it is from Aug.22th at the moment!

Regards,
--
Benoit Minisini
Benoit Minisini
2008-09-10 13:51:56 UTC
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Post by Stefano Palmeri
Fabien, bad idea to spread the world with J.R. health conditions.
It's against privacy law on many countries, unless J.R. gave you
permission to do that. I think it's a good idea removing
that message from Gambas online archives.
Benoit, can you do it?
Best regards,
Stefano Palmeri
Done.
--
Benoit Minisini
g***@organet.com
2008-09-10 15:59:31 UTC
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Post by Stefano Palmeri
Fabien, bad idea to spread the world with J.R. health conditions.
It's against privacy law on many countries, unless J.R. gave you
permission to do that. I think it's a good idea removing
that message from Gambas online archives.
Benoit, can you do it?
Best regards,
Stefano Palmeri
Done.
Sorry, for bringing up thist hread. Perhaps missed a mail or didn't understand
something between the lines, but....is there still some interest or working
active on this topic?

Greetz
Stevie

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